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Old 18 Aug 2006, 3:42 PM EDT   #1
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For GHawk and His Nonsense 9/11 Conspiracy Post

SO LONG I HAD TO MAKE 2 POSTS FOR YOU

Oh and please tell what was this order that he heard.Take the planes down?
Like I said before why shoot down that plane only and not allow it to crash but allow all the WTC planes to hit.If this was a planned conspiracy why wouldnt they allow 93 to hit its target Stop reaching my friend.You have no idea what the order was this is all speculation and relys on the word of one man

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Do you even get my point? Its not about what he's reading its about the obvious timing of it all. Several minutes into an obvious "attack" on american interests, why would our president (who already KNEW about the attacks BEFORE going into that school) sit and not do anything? Why did the Secret Service fail to escort him to safety? If you cannot see the obvious problems with the timing in this scenario you are an idiot
No obviously you did not get my point or you would have seen my point was to make you look like an imbecile for mentioning he was reading about as goat to school children.It makes no difference what he was reading so you claim should simply have been "Bush was still reading and not reacting 7 minutes after being told it was an attack"
But you did not say that.You tried to further your point by just randomly pointing ouut he was read a book about a goat in order to make him look like a fool so right there i knew what kind of person i was dealing with.Someone who had seen Fahrenheit 9/11 too many times.As for him staying there i got a giggle out of this one.Do you have any conception of the kind of work the Secret service does?Obviously you dont.Are you aware that advance team are sent to upto 5-6 locations in order to begin preparations for the presidents arrival weeks sometimes months in advance depending on the risk of the site.Do you know bomb sniffing dogs are used to check out things as simplistic as seat cushions multiple times on a daily basis on the offchance there is a bomb.Are you aware that they coordinate with local police for weeks as well going over every route the president takes from the airport to hotel,motorcade and even the bathroom and that nothing is left to chance.It is the most advanced security force in the world.With that in mind.You will realize the President remained there because it was without a doubt the safest place for him to be at the moment until they assess the risk to the event that was unfolding.It would have been ridiculous to whish the President away and put him airborne while the major threat was coming from the air.The safest place to be in the country was right where he was.F-16s had to be scrambled as escorts before he could even consider entering the air.Like i said Air Force One is a much simpler target than a random Florida school thats one story high.Also he in front of CHILDREN while the largest terrorist attack in US history is occuring.Also remember it was only 7 MINUTES.A machine like the secret service knows precisely what they are doing.This is my mind is the weakest of the theories.Feel Dumb yet?..dont worry it gets better

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Do you realize that the Towers were built to take hits from planes that big at those speeds? Do you realize that 90% of the jet feul burned off at impact as evidenced by the huge fireballs. The fire was obviously not hot enough to weaken steel as evidenced by the BLACK SMOKE (evidence of an oxygen deprived fire). The whole "truss" and "pancaked floors" theory is laughable....if the floors collapsed then why didnt the 47 steel columns that were centered in the towers stand or at least keep part of their structure? The only way those structures fell that day was systematic destruction.
Remember......only 3 steel based buildings have ever fallen due to fire and impact in HISTORY.....and they were all WTC buildings on 9/11. Coincidence
Absolutely correct the towers were designed to withstand a hit from a commercial airliner and that is exactly what they did.When the architect who designed the building and Tishman Construction company built them they wanted to make them capable of withstanding a plane crash because of the high air traffic in Manhattan and since they are such large buildings and mistakes happen that was how they were built.This is not a Micheal Bay film.Buildings do not topple over when struck with force.The building absorbed the impact and distributed that force throughout the entire building as it is designed to do and did a great job in doing such.As for your jet fuel theory 90% of the jet fuel did not evaporate.Jet Fuel does not simply evaporate.When the plane came in at that angle its dispersed jet fuel on multiple floors and cause many fires.As evident by fuel going down the elevator shaft and people stepping off elevators with skin melting from them like a zombie film.This is a fact.Of course you saw a large explosion.There was over 10,000 gallons of jet fuel and 10,000 gallons of jet fuel does not just burn off.Are we feeling slow yet?Dont worry i have more.So that you understand what jet fuel does take a look at airline disasters.In most cases fuel burns for hours and is widespread.Example
Paris Concord flight in the late 90's on takeoff the wing caught fire and even though a substantial portion of the jet fuel burned off the plane partially crashed into a small hotel.The Hotel burned completely to the ground and was unrecognizable as well as much of the wreckage.THE JET FUEL BLAZE WAS SO INTENSE THEY COULD NOT EVEN ATTEMPT RESCUE RECOVERY FOR 7 HRS.75% of the remains were burnt unrecognizable and had to be ID's with dental records.That is what jet fuel does.As for you Pancake theory.Sorry to say it is not a theory in the slightest.It is a fact and exactly what happened.The steel was weaked to the point where collapsing floors above it pulverized the ones below.You saw it with you own eyes.The building does not come straight down it leans to one side for a moment and the falls under its own weight.You obviously have no conception of how heavy 10's of storied of concrete and steel are but I assure you once this chain reaction was in place it was unstoppable.The core center took major damage when the plance sliced through it and dispersed jet fuel.It does not matter that they are the only 3 buldings to ever fall that way because the trauma inflicted on that building was unprecedented.Any other fire would not have burned at those temperatures and did not have a jet loaded with fuel crash into it @ 500 mph so once again stop watching loose change it is not factual at all.WTC took major damage from the airplace debris and the collapse of the towers.It was being used as the command station for the NYPD & FDNY & FBI all day.If there was an ulterior motive they would have chosen another building.There were fires inside the building for hours and the building did just collapse out of nowhere.They was an enormous hole in the building and firefighters an hour prior to its collapse began claiming the building was starting to weaken and make strange sounds and it was then evacuated its that simple.Once again there is no proof whatsoever that these attack were a controlled demolition not one small piece regardelss of all the Television cameras that were poised on the WTC and all the recordings.Further proof just to make you feel extra stupid is that seismographic recordings would have shown multiple explosions of that size going off on both the WTC & WTC 7 @ those times as is always seen on during planned demoltions.Oddly enough there were none whatsoever.
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Old 18 Aug 2006, 3:43 PM EDT   #2
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I think your speaking of WTC 7 here. If you are you have obviously not done your homework. The 9/11 commision could not find an explanation as to why building 7 fell.....the OFFICIAL story can't even explain it. The building fell at freefall speed with almost zero resistance...onto a footprint of itself. It is CLASSIC demolitions. Why did the owner of WTC 7 (Larry Silverstein) say in a PBS interview that they decided to "pull" the building? "PULL" is a standard word in the demolitions world for taking a building down. Why was the building re-insured 6 weeks before 9/11? Why was Rudy Guliani warned that the building would fall? Open your eyes.[quote=GoRRiLLa_ATHeiSt]

Pull is not a term used to describe systematic planned demoltions of building laced with explosive.The confusion is that pull is a term used to tear a weakened building in danger of collapse physically not using demoltions.Silverstein was referring to the occupants of the building.Just exactly how do you set up buildings with demo explosives with all this chaos going on.As for the insurance that is the dumbest thing you have said.Silverstein just assumed the lease 6 weeks prior to.Of course new insurance was issued he had just purchased the lease for the site for over a 100 years Dip*****.Alor of people were warned they were going to fall they looked like they were going to fall.I myself said to my wife the buildings were going to collapse only 5 minutes before they did.they appeared to be slowly angling in one direction.In any case why would even allow Guiliani to go downtown in the first place when they could have warned him before he arrived down there.

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After reading the official transcripts from the FAA and NORAD that day I may be on the fence on this issue. There was obvious mass confusion that day (brought on by NORAD drills). The orders to shoot 93 down were there according to the transcripts, but if it actually happened Im not sure. The debris field of 8 MILES is not evident of a crash though. If it crashed the debris field would have been limited to the surrounding area as the plane would have been whole at the time of impact. A scattered debris field suggests the plane or parts of the plane were dismembered in the air.
This is an easy one and im glad you are on the fence about it.There was a scattered debris field.It was not 8 Miles it was 2 miles.And the only debris found far away were papers,Sheet metal and other lightweight objects.All remains where found very close together to the crash site.And besides at the path 93 was taking if it had been breaking apart and debris was falling it would have been found behind the flight path not in front of it.Thats not what happened the other "debris" was found in front of the crash.This is just another example of people misconstruing facts to suit them by exagerating.
There is no reason they would not have admitted to the shoot down because Americans would have agreed with it.Passengers were going to die regardless.

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The dismissal of bomb sniffing dogs and the "shut downs" for repairs and upgrades in the week before 9/11 at the Towers arent too suspicious right?
This one is about as silly as the secret service.One again something blow out of proportion.First of all Firedrills are a very common thing in the WTC and one company practiced them monthly sometimes they had suprise drills thats one.Secondly any "evacuations" they had were due to security elevations.You going to claim that this is when explosives were brought into the building.Like I stated before are you aware of how complex a demolition is.Now imagine one on such a grand scale as the WTC and then multiple it by 2 because there are 2 identical buildings.Before I completely debunk your dogs claim I will say anyone with an IQ and reason will say to themselves "It would have been very difficult and near impossible to plant demolitions in the short windows they had during evacuations and that is even if they are occuring as frequently as you claim which is also false.Meanwhile once again once person says "Evacuations weeks before" and people jump on the bandwagon.When everyone else claims the number was nothing out of the ordinary than what has been going on for years.Now here is where you really get to feel dumb.Evacuations where as a result of drills and hightened security.There was without a doubt prior to 9/11 hightened security for weeks as was other buildings throughout the country because of terror threats.So dogs were brought in specially to sniff the building for explosives and stand guard at entrances.So my point first of all is that they are not usually there and only one rare occurences of when there are threat alerts throughout the US.So they brought these dogs into to stand guard meanwhile you claim the whole time in the weeks prior to their was "Mass evacuations" and this is when demolitions were being brought in..lol
This would be the absolute worst time to bring in demolitions during the same windown when bomb sniffing dogs are there.Also 9/6 was when they were "Dismissed" so since they could not bring the demos in in the weeks prior with the dogs and security they must have brought it in on 3 days times when these drills or evacs had not been occuring and planted demos without being seen.To say the dogs were dismissed once again tells me you have just been regurgitating what everyonese less tells you or what you have read on radical conspiracy websites and thats because it cannot be odd to dismiss dogs that are not usually there.You try to make it seem like bomb sniffing dogs were the norm @ WTC and that is false they are not.So This was just hightened security returning to normal.

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Tell me please Mr. MYTH solver......how do so many people (not just firefighters) mistake something for MOLTEN STEEL? How do you explain the accounts of "steel beams dripping molten steel at the ends"? And did you even realize that in order to document the Molten Steel the evidence and rubble would have to be examined? Well guess what?....ALL of the rubble and remains of the Towers and WTC 7 were shipped immediately to Asia for recycling. The evidence was never examined. Suspicious?

http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm
This should clear up the steel for you.
And as for it steel being shippied to Asia and being melted down it never happened.I do not know where you get this info but it is false and never occured.All steel was shipped to Staten Island Fresh Kills Landfill about 1 Mile from my fathers house.So once again your just talking out of your @$$ spouting lies and made up rumors you heard.


LOL...Your not serious a 4 yr old newsmax article.Why dont your try some reputable sources that are more current.Once again your just clinging to anything ebcause you want to believe this was a conspiracy.Never Happened.


Once again let me repeat this country makes money through many different channels.To think we would possible cripple our own economy by creating massive chaos in our own country in the largest city on earth and destory 2 major buildings for the sole puprose of being able to go to Iraq in a few years is ******ed bottomline.
There would have been much simpler ways of doing such.
And do you have any idea of what This terrorist cost our country as well as the cost of going to war?
By the way were is all this money we are making from Iraqs oil.As far is know most of it is going toward a reconstruction.TERRORISTS ARE RIGHT NOW PLANNING ATTACKS..London bombings,Spain and last weeks events.
*I know maybe we should place our country in chaos and make ourselves vulnerable to Nuclear attack from enemies.
*We can also simultaneously suspend all Air traffic throughout the world.Thats great for Commerce.
*Maybe we can try to rig 3 buildings with demolition explosives in an intensely complex and stealthy job which has never been attempted on such a grand scale on a job that would take a minimum of 2-3 weeks and noone see anyone planting them or ever see any of the papers of the intense research that goes into a job of this magnitude.It is nearly impossible.You have a better Chance of having your plane crash because it was struck by lighting taking a trip to a carribean island you just bought because you won the lottery the day before and surviving the crash and being attacked by a shark.
IT DOES NOT HAPPEN.Also there is a reason only a select few companies perform these demolition implosions and it because they are considered the best of what they do.Of course one of them would need to be involved and noone over there is talking either.
There is no logic to the WTC attack.If it were financially motivated right now we would be losing money.

All i have to say is I myself looked into the possiblilty that there was a conspiracy and thought there could have been but reason prevailed and soon enough you realize it is impossible.Unlike you I do not have a one track mind and i can look at things from both angles.Is bush a below average president..yeah he hasnt done much..did we orchestrate 9/11? not a chance in hell.There a much easier and less obvious ways for people that you claim are behind this to make money than 9/11

The funniest thing is that their is no evidence to further and of these nonsense other than a few misquotes and hearsay and speculation.If you want a real conspiracy look at JFK's killing.So tell me again how im the sheep?

Why dont you tell me about the pentagon that was a missile right and not plane?
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Old 18 Aug 2006, 4:06 PM EDT   #3
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All i have to say is I myself looked into the possiblilty that there was a conspiracy and thought there could have been but reason prevailed and soon enough you realize it is impossible.Unlike you I do not have a one track mind and i can look at things from both angles.Is bush a below average president..yeah he hasnt done much..did we orchestrate 9/11? not a chance in hell.There a much easier and less obvious ways for people that you claim are behind this to make money than 9/11.
Im not going to pretend that i read all of that, but one thing that popped out at me was the bolded statement. I dont believe that there is a huge conspiracy out there, but i could be wrong. Either way, what makes you think that they would be motivated by money? If there was a huge conspiracy, i believe it would be motivated by sheer power and control, not money. Money is only a portion of power.
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